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Merge proposal

Hello fellow editors. I have started a merge proposal on John Mills (gunner). Please join in the fun with your comments! Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 11:30, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

@PotsdamLamb: We don't usually have discussions on these. Just use your best judgement and be sure to leave an edit summary about what you're doing. -- Auntof6 (talk) 15:26, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Redirected to this one.--Next time: leave an edit summary about what one is doing. 2001:2020:32B:D16A:9D07:3C7E:A3B1:F2FA (talk) 17:12, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

IP what are you talking about? Since you supposedly know so much and you merged them, how about if you do it correctly and remove the merge tag? Oh wait let me do that for you since you are off fixing other articles. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 21:08, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

WP:BITE , THX :) fr33kman 13:09, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

@Auntof6 It actually states on the policy Wikipedia:Merging and moving pages#Proposing a merger it can be proposed if you are unsure. I don’t know how much can be found on the individual which is why I proposed it. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 21:06, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Quick deletion page of HarleyHoneys

Hello.

A user named User:HarleyHoneys is globally locked. Naturally, because I am an IP, I cannot request a quick deletion of the user and talk page. This reason is because of being a blocked or banned user. I am much happier being an IP, so can somebody take care of this? Thanks. 2601:402:4402:61F0:EE74:70E:72DC:65A8 (talk) 21:00, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

(non-admin comment) most of the time there is very little reason to delete user page (or even items in userspace) unless they directly break our rules. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:13, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

 Comment The IP is also globally locked. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 22:53, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

We rarely bother deleting old user talk pages unless there is problem with it. fr33kman 13:16, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Page that should be deleted

This page Class Clown of Lafayette College seems to have nothing of value on it. Unless it is something with news coverage it should be deleted Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 20:56, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

This page is about a notable person but has no content Sir Paul Marshall Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 20:58, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

This one is questionable but I think self promotion HGC Apparrel Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 21:01, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

@Immanuelle: If you think these pages should be deleted, the process is to propose either quick deletions or an RFD. RFDs are where discussion would take place. -- Auntof6 (talk) 22:31, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

@Auntof6 Immanuelle is blocked from editing mainspace and is therefore unable to tag the articles. The first two are now tagged for QD, but I'm not sure about the third - someone else can start and RfD if they want. Kk.urban (talk) 01:00, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

@Kk.urban: Thanks.

@Immanuelle: If you are blocked from mainspace, you probably shouldn't be asking other people to do things in mainspace for you. -- Auntof6 (talk) 01:22, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

{@Auntof6: If a user is indefinitely blocked from editing all of mainspace shouldn't that just be set to the whole of the project? After all what else does it let the person do? fr33kman 13:26, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

@Fr33kman: I would take that up with the blocking admin, Operator873, but it would at least let them participate in some discussions (RFDs, things on Simple talk, for example). -- Auntof6 (talk) 13:34, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

I suppose, thx fr33kman 13:46, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

@Kk.urban I hope that my contributions here have been helpful and not disruptive. I'm trying to be a better user. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 01:22, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

@Immanuelle Yes, I think your contributions are helpful. I understand that you were blocked for creating complex articles and/or an excess of machine translated articles, not for anything relating to deleting pages, so I think there's nothing wrong with your request here. Kk.urban (talk) 01:24, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

@Kk.urban thank you. Can you look a bit at the article Wet T-shirt contest, I think it is a bit pov biased (the sexism sentence) and it has an image which does not really explain it since the shirt is not wet, it is just pulled up.

I hope I can learn a bit more about the proper policy here before I request my unblock, and make a better impression on people. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 02:26, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

@Immanuelle I will change the image and the comment. I know that Wikipedia is not censored, but I strongly believe that nudity should only be found within articles about nudity, sex, health, etc. I mean that you should only see such pictures when you expect to see them (in my opinion). "Wet T-shirt contest" sounds innocent (turns out it is not), so I did not expect to see that. And if anybody disagrees with me, they can change the picture again, no problem, I will not engage in an edit war. Dream Indigo 18:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

I think I did some rephrasing yesrday. I also added possible alternatives to the images we now have, including the image that was originally there. I have no issue with nudity. No matter what image is selected: the image is there to illustrate the concept. And in case of a wet t-shirt contest, what do people expect? - likely girls in soaked, now transparent t-shirts or girls that are topless. Eptalon (talk) 14:12, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

I added quite a bit of content to the page. Personally, I think the images used are tasteful, even though they show some level of nudity (toplessness). But in general, such discussions are for the article talk page. As always, no one owns articles, and ifyou think an image does not serve its purpose, this can be discussed on the article talk page. Eptalon (talk) 17:21, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Durius Gund

Hello everyone,
The article Durius Gund was created in french Vikidia and in french Wikipedia (it was deleted), and I see it was created here too. But it is probably a hoax, the sources given do not mention any Durius Gund. Ecureuil 1234 (talk) 11:50, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

You are right that the sources don't mention Durius Gund, so there isn't significant coverage. You can vote to delete there I think if you want. Cleo Cooper (talk) 04:03, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

A bit more input

Hi all, sorry to bother you, I was wondering if I could get a little more input into #Category move discussion above? It's a large task (which I can handle), but before I put in a request for AWB, I'd like some comments about the task being suitable. Thanks for your time. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:05, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Partial blocks

Now that we can block a user from contributing to various namespace and/or an article or other namespaces should a indefinitely partial block of mainspace equal a total site wide block? fr33kman 13:30, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

We are here to create an Encyclopedia. So, our most important namespace is the main namespace. Now, it is possible that I find an interesting fact, and add that to the DYK discussion page, That's not mainspace. Or I contribute to one of the various other discussions. I do however question if an editor who is blocked from editing mainspace can be a useful contributor. So, likely, yes, it is. Eptalon (talk) 14:25, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

New RfO

A request for oversightership has started. You can participate here. --Ferien (talk) 17:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

WikiProject Redirect

a long overdue WikiProject has been made on my profile. Please help make it -- thanks! User:LOLHWAT/WikiProject Redirect LOLHWAT (talk) 13:07, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

@LOLHWAT: Sounds promising. Will you be posting any specific goals or tasks? -- Auntof6 (talk) 13:21, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Possibly, but I have little time right now. LOLHWAT (talk) 14:48, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

What exactly would a Project for Redirection do? Are you planning to tag items with {{R with possibilities}} or something? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:04, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

to encourage redirects, basically. speeding it up LOLHWAT (talk) 21:41, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Are redirects particularly long winded? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:07, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

i mean as in creating more. a lot of pages have no redirects and/or are missing them. "speeding up" basically means to make more of them faster with a group of people LOLHWAT (talk) 22:22, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Few pages really need redirects. I certainly wouldn't want to see a mass effort to create more that aren't really needed. If that's what you have in mind, I think there should be a consensus that people on the project want that. We've had people do that kind of thing before and the redirects often get deleted.

What I thought might be helpful is to add templates to redirects to indicate the purpose of the redirect. For example, some are redirects from alternate spellings, or from related items, etc. -- Auntof6 (talk) 05:24, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, we generally dissuade having redirects for redirects sake. The search algorithm is pretty decent now, so it doesn't help with that. Redirects are useful when there is a term that is suitable to be linked in mainspace, and has a target, but we don't just add all possible redirects to pages. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 06:11, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

I take it you are disbanding WikiProject Redirect by your recent edits?- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 11:43, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

yeah ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I don't think it's really needed here for the time being LOLHWAT (talk) 11:48, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 11:48, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Idiotic...

... In my opinion to have a page devoted to the world's oldest person (Maria Branyas Morera). No merit in longevity and needs to be kept up-to-date. Macdonald-ross (talk) 14:14, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

20-odd other projects also seem to have such a page. Would be interesting to see if they agree on who the persion is? Eptalon (talk) 14:26, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

The 11th oldest person who ever lived? Seems to meet GNG to me. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:06, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

I think it depends on the coverage they get. This particular one has some reliable sources so it meets GNG imo.--BRP ^ever 07:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC)