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Horatio Alger, Jr.

Horatio Alger, Jr. (change · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete)

This article has been nurtured along for some time. This article is comprehensive and appropriate for this wiki. Please do not hesitate to contact me should you decide to review! Oregonian2012 (talk) 02:04, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Just on a scroll-down, there are red links. -Barras talk 11:34, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

There's a single redlink: moralism. PiRSquared17 (talk) 03:23, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Done Oregonian2012 (talk) 14:02, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Some of the text, including part of the "Legacy" section is too complex. "Other writers slightly reworked the Alger moral and ethical outlook to suit more materialistic times", for example. "The quality of his literary allusions however makes his prose distinctive". I don't think this is Simple English. PiRSquared17 (talk) 03:23, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
Has defects which should have been corrected long ago:
No red links at all are allowed for VGA; Done {{Related pages must be properly related (this one is not); Done Dates of birth and death should not be linked, in fact years should not be linked at all unless very significant.
The general simplicity of the language is borderline.
The article makes little of his pederasty. There is a tendency for biographies to view the dark side of their subjects with leniency, or to omit it entirely (see our article on Frank Sinatra). We should do what we can to make sure that criminal and quasi-criminal activity by a subject is given due prominence.
Overall, a fairly reasonable candidate for VGA. Macdonald-ross (talk) 07:09, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Closed as not promoted: I'm closing this as it's been ongoing for nearly 6 months now, which is, frankly, a bit ridiculous. If the article was ready it would have support for a promotion, and there are outstanding concerns both listed above and from a quick glance through the article myself. My suggestion would be to address any outstanding concerns, seek some informal reviews and then return. Gob lin 23:25, 9 July 2013 (UTC) I ♥ The Rambling Man!

Commodore Nutt

Commodore Nutt (change · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete)

This article recently passed GA. I think it can go on to pass VGA. It is as comprehensive as possible in my estimation. There are not volumes of information on this man and about everything published on him has been entered here. My "head" is still into this subject at the moment. It will be easier to respond to your concerns. I look forward to your comments, and will respond at once. Oregonian2012 (talk) 12:28, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

I can support this going to VGA. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:10, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, StevenJ81! Oregonian2012 (talk) 21:04, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

I've reviewed that article not too long ago for GA candidacy. I just had a look at it again and I've found nothing that would need to be fixed. A really good article which promotion to VGA status I happily support. -Barras talk 18:24, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, Barras! Oregonian2012 (talk) 20:57, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

We're really too scrupulous with PGAs. It has repeatedly been identified as a problem and is something that we need to correct. There's not much I can really find that needs addressing, and I also don't want to see it get revised so much that it becomes unrecognisable from the version recently promoted. The few things I can say are pretty minor:

The hatnote at the top of the article needs to go, since there's WP:NOARTICLE.
Only bold the title of the article once. Technically, you're supposed to include it as part of the opening sentence. "aka..." looks wierd, though; it might be better if you wrote "better known as..." and remove the link to stage name since it appears later in the same paragraph.

Osiris (talk) 05:47, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Osiris. I've made some changes in the first sentences of the lead. Oregonian2012 (talk) 13:10, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

That looks great. You could bold "George Washington Morrison Nutt" if you want, but I don't think it's a big deal either way. I support promotion now. Osiris (talk) 23:56, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Osiris! Your help on bringing an article to VGA is always appreciated! Oregonian2012 (talk) 00:28, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

I've looked at the article, and at the requirements for VGAs. I think there are still some long sentences that could be shortened, but since the requirements don't say anything about the article being simple, I will support this promotion. --Auntof6 (talk) 07:04, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
Surely it goes without saying that articles should be simple...? Gob lin 13:08, 1 September 2013 (UTC) I ♥ Auntof6!
Thank you, Auntof6 for your support! I'm going to look at the article again and shorten long sentences. After all, this is part of the process! Thank you again! Oregonian2012 (talk) 20:31, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Closed as promoted: Taking a punt and closing this early per WP:SNOW. All the comments suggest that the article was pretty much ready after the GA nomination, and I found very little that needs changing (all now done) on a pass through. We've passed things with less than 5 supports in the past, and taking this through another week would be pointless, imo. Congratulations. Gob lin 15:22, 8 September 2013 (UTC) I ♥ Jersey!

Thanks to everyone for your generous support and comments! Oregonian2012 (talk) 21:58, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Jumbo

Jumbo (change · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete)

Jumbo's story will be enjoyed by our young and old readers alike. I wrote this article from scratch. Please don't compare it to enwiki. We don't agree. Enwiki has Jumbo born in western Africa while my sources have him born in eastern Africa. Thanks. Oregonian2012 (talk) 21:16, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

I put some notes on the talk page a while ago and Oregonian was in the process of addressing them. Unless anyone else wants to step in and take over, I think this is going to be heading for an unsuccessful close. Osiris (talk) 03:00, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Closed as not promoted. Since Oregonian was blocked indefinitely. Osiris (talk) 12:41, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Selena

Selena (change · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete)

The article failed its last nomination, it has since then gone through several copy-edits. If there are any more issues please let me know. Thanks, .jona ^talk 02:55, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

I do not think we should consider it. A huge amount of time was spent on it last time, and it is essentially the same article. Macdonald-ross (talk) 09:17, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

I think it should be considered, but not at this time. If I remember correctly the closing suggestion was to go through the article informally to get it up to scratch before bringing it here, possibly going via GA first. Enough of the drive-by noms. Gob lin 09:25, 10 October 2014 (UTC) I ♥ Macdonald-ross!

If you guys believe its not VGA-ready, I don't mind moving it to PGA. Best, .jona ^talk 00:37, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

It's up to you whether you put it up for VGA or GA, but my comments stand either way: get an informal review before nominating, and ensure that the article already meets all the criteria. Note any article that is not up to scratch technically automatically fails as we have a requirement that articles are stable and not about to undergo multiple changes, although we're being a bit slack on that at the moment. Either way, my point about drive-by nominations stands. Gob lin 21:47, 13 October 2014 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

I think the article is great for a VGA status and perfect for a GA status. It's greatly references, has supported information, a descent amount of images, and it's simple. I enjoyed reading the article :) --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:05, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

@Bluegoblin7: Yes, I want to go through the PVGA process. The article has gone through several revisions and copy-edits by other editors during its run at PVGA last year, so I don't see how the article needs to be heavily edited this time around. @TDKR Chicago 101: Thanks for your support and glad you enjoyed it. Best, .jona ^talk 01:47, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Just on a quick glance I noticed Selena#CITEREFL1995 which is terribly formatted. That is an article. Not a book. Yet it is listed like it's a book. Additionally, what is this author's first and last name? Only (talk) 15:09, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Done are there any more issues? Best, .jona ^talk 00:58, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Is there a reason why Early Success is a level 1 heading and Later success is a subheading under Early success? Regards, Pmlineditor (t · c · l) 18:57, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Closed as not promoted: No edits to article in three weeks, and no comments here in over a month. Stale nomination. Gob lin 16:33, 15 December 2014 (UTC) I ♥ The Rambling Man!

The Lightning Thief

The Lightning Thief (change · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete)

This was promoted to GA couple of years back and almost no work has been done on it since then, so it's probably not close to VGA standard yet. However, I'd like to work on this article, so I'm submitting this for VGA review. Thanks for the comments / reviews. --Pmlineditor (t · c · l) 10:47, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
Further comment: Note that half the references on the page are to pages that are currently offline. I'll try to replace them asap. Pmlineditor (t · c · l) 12:25, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

I will put some thoughts on the talkpage.--Peterdownunder (talk) 11:38, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Although I have no doubts that any comments made on this VGA will be enacted swiftly and thoroughly - unlike other recent noms - I do have to comment that we've recently closed other noms based on them clearly not being ready and still to undergo major edits. This particularly articles strikes me as one of those cases, and I think it might be more appropriate to get the changes and comments made not as part of PVGA, but informally, and then bring the article back when it is at - or nearly at - promotion stage. That said, I'll try and give the article a look over in the next couple of days, and this is purely my personal opinion rather than any "decision" either way. Gob lin 09:28, 10 October 2014 (UTC) I ♥ Fr33kman!
I've looked at the comments so far and have addressed most of them. I'll finish making the changes in a couple of days. Pmlineditor (t · c · l) 13:29, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

I have added a number of comments on the article's talk page regarding the language and style side of things. Yottie ^=talk= 17:49, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks to everyone for putting up comments! I'm working on them, and I'll try to fix the problems shortly. Pmlineditor (t · c · l) 09:47, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
I've handled almost everything, except the overlinking issue I guess. Any more comments? Pmlineditor (t · c · l) 14:49, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Extend for two weeks: Progress is being made here, which is excellent. As the wiki seems particularly quiet at the moment, let's let this run for another couple of weeks in the hope that activity picks up a little! Gob lin 00:06, 28 October 2014 (UTC) I ♥ Pmlineditor!

Anything else I need to fix? Pmlineditor (t · c · l) 14:19, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

I think it is looking very good.--Peterdownunder (talk) 21:45, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

I'm taking a look, and doing some simplifying. --Auntof6 (talk) 05:57, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

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I have promoted the article; please adapt the pages I possibly forgot... --Eptalon (talk) 11:15, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm not going to revert the promotion, but the presence of maintenance categories (dated October 2014) precludes this article from promotion according to the criteria. It's certainly in good shape but I also don't think we have a consensus for promotion here, especially as the last comment was w/r/t "taking a look" rather than supporting promotion. Gob lin 16:17, 15 December 2014 (UTC) I ♥ The Rambling Man!

Thanks for mentioning the maintenance category; it was from a dead link I'd forgotten to replace, but I've fixed that now. Pmlineditor (t · c · l) 08:01, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Fabulous, I had little doubt that it would be promptly attended to. ;-) Gob lin 14:55, 16 December 2014 (UTC) I ♥ Bsadowski1!