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Requesting a move

Could someone please move Amin Maher to Amina Maher? She changed her name a few years ago. I can't because I'm not autoconfirmed. Hinnk (talk) 08:41, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

@Hinnk  Done — *Fehufangą ♮ ✉ Talk page 08:56, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Vote for Election Compass Statements

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Zuz (WMF) (talk) 17:24, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

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Hi, I keep editing conflicting myself... anyone know how to fix the problem? Tsugaru let's talk! :) 20:27, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

@つがる Can you try again please? The servers were having issues. If it still does not work, let me know. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 20:53, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Issue all fixed now Tsugaru let's talk! :) 22:08, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

@つがる Yay! Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 22:09, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

PotsdamLamb The problem is back lol --Tsugaru let's talk! :) 00:11, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

@つがる What is the article? Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 00:18, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

@PotsdamLamb: User talk:つがる/WikiProject Japan see page history. the first edit i made today had problems. Tsugaru let's talk! :) 00:21, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

@つがる Looking through the history you keep reverting yourself. The tags show "revert" or "undo". So it is not an edit conflict :) Is the keyboard tiny that you may be hitting those keys by chance? Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 00:28, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

PotsdamLamb Hmm, So when I edit and i pushed enter it said edit conflict and I just left the page, as for the keyboard I am using an external keyboard, its nice and big :) It's a pink gaming keyboard! Tsugaru let's talk! :) 00:39, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

@つがる Maybe an issue with the pink color eeeerrrrrrrr external keyboard? I cannot think of much else unless you wanna clear / by-bass your cache Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 00:45, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

PotsdamLamb I bypassed the cache, thanks for the links, I will see if things work now Tsugaru let's talk! :) 01:21, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

@つがる ok let me know. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 01:56, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

PotsdamLamb It's still happening Tsugaru let's talk! :) 02:47, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Oshwah Sorry for the random ping, but do you have any idea as to why its doing this? Tsugaru let's talk! :) 03:00, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

つがる - Something might just be stuck in your browser cache. Try clearing it. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:23, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

User:つがる/WikiProject Hong Kong

I am no good at figuring out the code, can someone help me expand the yellow frame so the image on the bottom is inside it? Thanks Tsugaru let's talk! :) 21:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

@つがる  Done As you add participates, remove one of the br with the brackets and you should be fine. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 21:45, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! --Tsugaru let's talk! :) 21:45, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

@つがる You sure though you don't want it some variation of Pink :) Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 21:48, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

PotsdamLamb I was thinking of that lol, but then it might make it hard to see lol --Tsugaru let's talk! :) 21:50, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

@つがる Try #FFF1FB Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 22:06, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

US vs. USA

Hi all. I’ve noticed an IP editor is going around and changing anything that says US to USA. Does not seem to matter if it’s in an infobox or in the article. What is the correct way? I’ve always used US in infoboxes especially with coordinates because of the way the maps are laid out for pinpointing. I looked at MoS and couldn’t seem to find it or my eyes are getting worse and I didn’t see it. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 03:07, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

We may not have an official correct way. I usually spell it out in article text because I think abbreviations can be difficult for English learners. In infoboxes, I usually use US. The country is usually called just "United States," without adding "of America," so that makes sense to me. -- Auntof6 (talk) 03:16, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

By the way, I see one IP editor doing this, but only on two pages. Is that what you meant by "going around and changing"? -- Auntof6 (talk) 03:18, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 No I’ve seen a lot of IP editors doing this the past couple of days. Not sure if it’s the same person jumping IPs or different people doing this. That is why I was asking. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 03:48, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Request for comment - PDLBotArchiver

Hi fellow Wikipedians ~ I’ve been informed that for any public page (i.e., Simple Talk, etc) that I need to gain community consensus.

Current Issues:

• User:SassoBot has not ran in a while and requires a manual start. Since the bot owner is busy it is up in the air as to when the next time it will run.

Resolution:

• I have developed User:PDLBotArchiver that is technically the same. It requires no user configuration changes on the users side.
• On my side, for this page, I would need to allow my bot to work next to SassoBot so pages start archiving again. All tests are successful and the bot has full approval to run it.
• This RfC is strictly to archive Simple Talk and no other pages. Thanks and I look forward to the responses.

Responses and questions

• I think the bot should be used to archive simple talk, and any other WP: pages where it would be useful. 14 days is okay for archival time. Lights and freedom (talk) 04:40, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

  @Lights and freedom: I don't think anyone is suggesting changing the archival time, so whatever bot is doing the archive can use the time that has been in effect all along. -- Auntof6 (talk) 05:01, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

  That's fine. I didn't really see why this community discussion was necessary so I just gave my opinion. Lights and freedom (talk) 05:02, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

  @Lights and freedom Because it is required due to someone placing the restriction of the bot on the page. If it wasn’t restricted I wouldn’t need the consensus. But all I need is a yes I can or a no I cannot. Nothing else in the configuration changes unless an admin or higher changes it. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 05:08, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

• LGTM. First run was successful. No alarming signs. Operator873 ^connect 11:19, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Arbitrary section break

• Since this matter has been brought up, I am wondering why we even have the {{bots}} template on this page? Support for this template is on a per-implementation basis, so you must either use a framework that is {{bots}} aware, or explicitly account for it in your bot's code. Is there any currently approved bot (other than archive bots) that would ever be editing this page (be it accidental or not), and would need opting out of via the use of the {{bots}} tmeplate? Chenzw  Talk  15:40, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

  @Chenzw I believe the signing bot would also edit this page, but since SassoBot is the only authorized one, User:Cewbot won't sign the comments either. IMHO it should be allowed to do that. I cannot think of any other bots that would run on this page based on our approved ones. There may be global ones, but I am not sure. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 19:05, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

This discussion is scheduled to be closed at 08:24, 5 August 2022 (UTC). Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 08:24, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Finding Fanon (now with 100% less fish)

Quoting from here, but with tweaks:

It seems that specific cartoons (which are not mainstream) on Simple English Wikipedia are often target to users adding in their own "fanon", such as an early change in the page for Numberjacks containing details that it was created by Jean-Yves Raimbaud (who couldn't have been alive in 2000), that it was a Xilam production with employees like Hugo Gittard and Marc Du Pontavice and that it had American voice actors...

This also happens with small details, like Oggy and the Cockroaches: The Movie being "produced" by Illumination, or large changes like Taffy having a large voice cast, some of whom mentioned people like Tom Kenny and Phil LaMarr (unlike the dub's official cast), or even an entire redundant page, filled with false information. (Happened with Oggy too.)

Like, it's so weird. This is Wikipedia, where it's used to display enough correct information on media. If you wanted to make fanon so much, there's Fandom. As such, I'm seeing if a better approach to fanon would be agreeable, with helpful pages (like essays) and all.

I've been trying to track anything "fanon"-y down for the past 2 hours now, but for now, I give you all this. You're welcome. --WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 14:03, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

@WannurSyafiqah74: I've moved this thread down, because it is customary to have new threads go at the bottom of the discussion page.

Indeed, a lot of our articles about cartoons and children's show could definitely fare better. We have had probably over a dozen deletion discussions about fake TV shows, movies and entertainment companies this year alone. — *Fehufangą ♮ ✉ Talk page 14:13, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

I have rangeblocked 2001:D08:E2::/48 (talk • changes <deleted> • WHOIS • block user • block log), which has been adding false information since at least May 2022. I reverted some obviously false information, but it would be good if someone more knowledgeable in the area can help review all edits from that IPv6 range, too. I won't be surprised if there are a lot more cases gone unnoticed, from other users/IPs. Chenzw  Talk  15:40, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

@User:Chenzw: I found out the SPA linked to some fan-made movie called "Pippi & Equestria Girls". The link goes to FANON WIKI, which just baffles me on how they decided to go here. That, and I'm not sure if the person also pretends Paramount does not exist. --WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 10:07, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Oh, that's fine. Maybe better protection on specific articles and restricted article creation would do. And if there's enough "fanon", maybe a list of Wikipedia hoaxes like on the original Wikipedia? The "hoax museum" on Wikipedia bring up articles extant for several years, including fake TV shows and such. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 05:39, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

@WannurSyafiqah74: Take a look at List of programs broadcast by Cartoonito. It's being constantly edited, so I think there's false info there. Lights and freedom (talk) 05:49, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

I just checked. Compared to the original/regular Wikipedia, definitely some suspicious names there. Definitely needs page protection. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 06:59, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

University of...

Now we have a University of Heidelberg competing with a Heidelberg University! Macdonald-ross (talk) 18:35, 29 July 2022 (UTC) ... fortunately both are very short! Macdonald-ross (talk) 18:35, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

@Macdonald-ross Simply solved EN:Heidelberg University & https://authority.bibsys.no/authority/rest/authorities/html/90350554 - both say "Heidelberg University" we would need to disconnect "University of Heidelberg" from wikidata d:Q151510. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 18:48, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

It is one of the oldest in Europe, founded 1386. And no, there's just one University in Heildelberg (de:Ruprecht-Karls-Universität Heidelberg). So the two should be merged... Eptalon (talk) 07:21, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

636 years. I wonder what the oldest university in the world that still functions as a university in the present day. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 07:38, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

University of Bologna. Macdonald-ross (talk) 10:22, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Wow that is old! Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 06:08, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

There are actually two that are older, one is the university of Cairo, and I think the other is in Morococo, but not sure... Eptalon (talk) 08:56, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

If we left aside universities which promoted religions (all of the above), we'd still have Plato's Academy and Aristotle's Lyceum. You'll remember that Plato was specifically condemned for promoting disbelief in the gods (that was the actual charge against him). That's 4th century B.C. I think we can be sure the ancient Egyptians had some kind of organisation for training their priests, but I'm not familiar with that literature. Macdonald-ross (talk) 20:16, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

"Absolute hot"

This refers to [1].

It has no corresponding page on En wiki as far as I can see. Anyone with a background in physics care to have a look? It has no sources. Macdonald-ross (talk) 09:33, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Worth noting that enwiki had a page for this, but it was deleted in AfD: en:Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Absolute_hot. Also, see this discussion on WP Physics' talk page. — *Fehufangą ♮ ✉ Talk page 09:51, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Need mass message sent

I need a mass message sent about archiving, if an admin would volunteer to do this for me I would appreciate it. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 16:03, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

What is the message, and who do you want it to be sent to? Best, Vermont 🐿️ (talk) 16:48, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

I have spoken with Vermont on IRC, this is not needed. Thank you. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 17:01, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

User:152.27.58.183

This IP is having problem, making some edits on some US Interstate Highways articles, where some info are missing or provided wrong info. Please keep a note of it. The IP have been warned before (as per I saw on it's talk page).--Jyoti Roy (talk) 16:14, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Added quick links - 152.27.58.183 Special:Contributions/152.27.58.183 Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 16:18, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

I think I should mention minor info, instead.--Jyoti Roy (talk) 16:20, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Add to MOS

As all know, if we do not have it on our MOS, we tell editors to go read it on enWP. That does our readers no good as it is very complicated english. I have started a discussion "Bring over and simplify currencies" as I would like to bring this to our MOS and simplify it. Please go there to discuss and please do not discuss it here. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 18:43, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Simple words

Hi, Over at Waterloo Road (TV series) it currently says in the lead "" - Should the word "recommissioned" be replaced with a simpler word and should the word "Synopsis" further down also be replaced ?,

I would assume yes for both but I don't know what they should be replaced with (if they should), Many thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010^Talk 22:36, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

You would need to do more than replace word for word. Recast the whole sentence, for example: "There will be another series, produced in the Greater Manchester area again". Macdonald-ross (talk) 08:08, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Macdonald-ross, You sir are amazing thank you so much!, I'll be honest I never thought of replacing the whole sentence - Just thought I needed to replace a word only, I'll replace it now, Many thanks for your help greatly appreciated, Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 12:50, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Move request

Seraikistan to Saraikistan. More common spelling, matches English wikipedia. --Middle river exports (talk) 17:26, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done Lallint (talk) 17:42, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Transwiki request

Hi, Could someone create and transwiki:

Template:Runner-up from en:Template:Runner-up

Template:CFinalist from en:Template:CFinalist

Template:Quit from en:Template:Quit

Template:CRemoved from en:Template:CRemoved

and for update purposes also transwiki:

Template:Won from en:Template:Won

Template:Eliminated from en:Template:Eliminated

please?,

Thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010^Talk 18:42, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

@Davey2010: Doing. Stand by. -- Auntof6 (talk) 19:34, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

@Davey2010:  Done --Auntof6 (talk) 19:38, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Hey @Auntof6, Long time no see, Hope you're doing well, Many thanks for doing these as always I greatly appreciate your help :), I plan to create all BBUK series articles over the weekend and apparently the tables use the templates above, Anyway thanks again for your help much appreciated, Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 21:36, 4 August 2022 (UTC)