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USA representation

Just a suggestion but maybe we should have the USA represented as their idividual states like Samkeah (sorry if I miss spelled that) represent his US state of choice and I'll represent Florida. Get what I'm saying cause alot would want to represent the US IMO this way we satisfy everyone that wants to. And you might even want to do it with every country that has a state like thing going (like Canada)-- ✼ CM 16^{Merry Christmas!!} 19:39, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I think you should be able to represent a state (of any country) or a country itself. Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 19:48, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes I think that's fine. I'll update the page to suit. B G^7even 19:57, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

So long as the USA doesn't enter 50 teams into the next FIFA World Cup then it should be fine :) Kennedy ^(talk) 10:30, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Hehe ;) I hope not. At that stage England ( :P ) might be in with a chance! B G^7even 12:03, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Nations' Cup

13 December 2008 (UTC)

I think we should have a nations' cup as well as an editors' cup. Each nation will be able to enter two individual editors. At the end of each round, the combined points from the two editors will be tallied up and the last place nation is eliminated. Basically, it's the same format as the editors' up, just tallied two editors at a time. --Cheers, Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 16:29, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Sounds cool. It get editors to work together. Please explain some more. VandalFighterFR(V) Bad warning? 16:30, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

That's a cool idea (again, I hadn't thought about it!). Would it be run simultaniously with the wikicup meaning the points from each user are the same as wikicup, and just added? Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 16:31, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

multiple e/c Hmm... it's not a bad idea in essence, i'm just thinking that it might be a bit hard to put into practice. What if one England editor was in the lead, the other was at the bottom, and they had the lowest points. What would happen then? The top editor be eliminated? Or they have to pick a new country? Could you possibly expand a bit please? B G^7even 16:32, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

(e/c)Each countries points would be tallied so.... please explain. VandalFighterFR(V) Bad warning? 16:34, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll start a draft in my sandbox. VandalFighterFR(V) Bad warning? 16:35, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

e/c (2)What you said BG wouldn't happen if you ran it at the same time as the wikicup. Meaning you have the wikicup, and this idea separatly, but the points are the same.Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 16:35, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... perhaps not then - there are only two judges remember, unless we take a competition each. I'll work on a draft as well! B G^7even 16:36, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't think you got what I said, let me explain. We run the wikicup as planned. We have round one, two, QF,SF and final. You count the points as planned (you're a judge). Imagine It's the end of the first round, I have 1000 points and win my group. Simultaniously to this we have the nations cup. You take the points from the two editors in the wikicup, and add them (Imagine I'm with you and you have 1000 points too) and you get a total of 2000 points. Ok, in the wikicup, you were in a tough group, kennedy and Chenzw got 1200 and 1100, you got eliminated. However in the nations cup, we got 2000 points, we win our group. You stay in the nations cup, and I stay in the nations cup and the wikicup. So even if you are out of one of the cup, you can still be in the other one. Hope this helps. Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 16:44, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

reset Ok, I get it now ;). But my new concern is that this would only be able to run if a considerable amount of editors had the same country. Unless we group States and Countries together (i.e. USAx2 and Florida) and say UK countries together (GB, England and Scotland is what we have so far). In addition we have the Republic of China and the People's Republic of China. It could work, but perhaps not this year, unless you want to message all members ;) - there's a template for it :P Also, would issues not perhaps arise within the cup with users of the same team? B G^7even 16:51, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

(ecX6) To BG7: Yes, both editors' points would be tallied up at the end of each round. Example: Let's say Zimbabwe's editors got a 15 and a 15.1. Both of these editors' points would be added, and that would be Zimbabwe's score for that round.

If an editor is eliminated but chooses to aid his teammate, any points that would've been gained by the eliminated editor would be added to their teammate's total.

To Yotcmdr: Yes, it runs alongside the editors' cup. Just as the bottom editor in each round gets eliminated, the bottom nation in each round gets eliminated as well. Also, the judges from the editors' cup will tally points for the nations as well.

Additionally, there are two ways a nation can get eliminated: one, if they score lowest in the nations' cup, and two, if both editors are eliminated. Once an editor is eliminated from the Editors' Cup, they cannot choose a new nation. They can either help their teammate, or leave the competition fully. Any articles they create will not be counted toward their nation's or teammate's points.

Nations with multiple regions will not be able to enter a team for each region, to avoid confusion and to reduce the chances that the competition will be "flooded" with a crapload of editors from each part of the country. --Cheers, Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 16:55, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

(to BG)That's not hard to resolve. You have a country for the wikicup and one for the nations cup (different or the same).Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 16:56, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

(To GP75)I think that even if both editors are eliminated from the editors (wiki) cup they should still be able to compete in the nations cup. Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 17:00, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

e/c Hmm... i'm still worried that it will be just too complicated. I don't think we are going to be able to integrate it easily into the current competition without having to start a new one, and to do that it would mean pinging all editors and asking them to re-pick countries... and asking again if there is only one of each country. Sorry, I

Strong oppose to this idea as I just don't think that it is feasible for the 2009 competition. Had it been suggested sooner, then maybe, but users are already settled with their countries and I just think it's too complex. Get a couple more judges in, for the separate project, and maybe. Or ask users to "borrow" their scores from the editors cup and basically "run" the Nation's cup themselves (with the Judges overlooking of course) then also maybe. You can still convince me otherwise though ;) - just suggest it and make it work ;) B G^7even 17:03, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll run it myself as you said. It souldn't be to hard to add up points. Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 17:06, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay. (Don't take this in an owny way or anything, I just don't think it would work!). Like I said, if it's got a good setup and works well, then i'll be happy to judge it ;) It shouldn't take too much doing, just to make sure no-one is fiddling the points! B G^7even 17:11, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

To yotcmdr: No, nations for the editors' and nations' will be the same, unless both slots for the nations' are taken up, at which point the editor will have to choose a new one.

To BG7, that would technically be impossible as this competition would be running alongside the editors'. Also, all current entries can stay as they are. If there's only one slot taken for a country, that's OK. The country will still be entered, it just won't have much of a chance at winning. --Cheers, Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 17:12, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok, countries stay the same. I'll set it up later and if to many people play around with the points I'll protect the page. Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 17:15, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm slowly being converted over to it ;). I'll add some stuff to the Sandbox page, and i'll also message editors asking them if they want to participate (it should be optional!). Finally, what shall we do with States/Counties. Group them together, or ask users to change? Thanks, B G^7even 17:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

States won't be allowed to compete, because technically it could be used to "tip the scales" toward the country they are in. --Cheers, Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 17:31, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay, sounds good. On second thoughts, i'm not really sure what could be added to the sandbox page, but i'll start grouping users together and pinging everyone. It's your idea, so please add to it ;) B G^7even 17:34, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

OK. --Cheers, Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 17:39, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

(rs)I've set up an example of the scoring system here. --Cheers, Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 18:23, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I like the example (especially because I win in it!).Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 19:11, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I have changed my flagicon from Bulgaria to Rhineland-Palatinate (Germany). Tharnton345 19:04, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

To Yotcmdr: Thanks. :P

Notice that the lowest score is in red; I thought it'd be easier to pick out. :D --Cheers, Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 19:07, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it's good. Has it been set up yet, and have you warned all the competitors of the wikicup that this is also happening? And who can I team up with, anyone? Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 19:11, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Yep, I like it. I'll ping everyone now about it, and re-work the page (Wikipedia:Wikicup/2009 Nations) tomorrow. This is getting quite exciting ;)

I think it would be better to have a separate page for the scores, that uses raw data from the main wikicup (a bot could possibly update it) and then it could be manually added into the pools table daily by one of the judges. But perhaps they're not needed - as it runs off the main cup, it could probably be just run by the users with the judges looking in every week or so, and then also dealing with the pools etc ;)

Cheers,

B G^7even 19:26, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Cheers, B G^7even 19:26, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Sweet. Can't wait to see the revamp. --Cheers, Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 20:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah great, however nobody answered my question! Who am I allowed to team up with? Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 20:24, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

reset Okie dokie, i'll get to work on it (most of it will probably be tomorrow now though).
Yotcmdr: I'd say that you could team up with PeterSymonds or Kennedy, as technically all three flags are related. That would stop someone having to change. Or, someone else could add England as their nations cup team. B G^7even 20:32, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Would the nations cup be optionnal? (I do want to do it!) Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 20:34, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I think it should be. That's why I was going to ping people about it. Thanks, B G^7even 20:36, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok, so imagine I wanted to team up with shapiros10, either I or him would have to change to Italy or a province of Italy (me), England or a county in England (him)? Thanks. Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 20:39, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Who can I team up with? Tharnton345 20:41, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

e/cI guess so, but only for the Nation's Cup. You could remain as England/Italy for the other one. Unless we expand it to the "Continent's Cup" and reform it slightly - that way we could have Europe, North America, South America etc, all with lots of different countries who "battle it out" together in a different format. IMO that would be easier to manage. B G^7even 20:41, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah have it as continents maybe (if GP75 approves, it was his idea, I hope he does!). So I could team up with anyone with a european country, that's good. Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 20:44, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll ping him ;) Either way though, I think for ease of use there shouldn't be a limit on how many in each team - instead we could award bonus points to the smallest teams, or remove them from the largest. B G^7even 20:46, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

To add to that, I also think bonus points should be awarded to teams that work collaboratively on articles. B G^7even 20:47, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

(unindent)Uhhh, yeah, it would be hard though to award or take off points to make it fair. And it's bound to be a Europe v America cup. I don't know what to suggest unless you come up with a fair points system for big and small teams (and there wouldn't be anough teams). Maybe have teams of three (the three country have to be in the same continent). For example, a team of three, me shapiros and kennedy, we're all in europe, so we can team up. Something like that maybe. Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 20:51,

I'll look into a points system tomorrow. I'm off now. B G^7even 20:55, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok. Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 20:57, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Eureka! Countries with one entry have all scores multiplied by 1.5. Sound good? --Cheers, Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 21:27, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Wouldn't it just be easier to team up with whoever you want and choose a different country for the nations cup (keeping the points system paralel? Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 21:33, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually, come to think of it, yes. --Cheers, Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 21:35, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

It also be nicer for the users, because they can choose who they want to be with. Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 21:37, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I think so too. Good idea. --Cheers, Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 22:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

United Kingdom

Is that legal considering it's a GROUP of countries not A country? I ask cause that's what Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:UserLinks/shared' not found. picked.-- ✝ CM 16 20:54, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I believe it is legal as United Kingdom is part of the European Union under that name, no separate countries. Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 20:56, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

e/c Technically yes. It's often been suggested that we have United Kingdom as our FIFA football team, but the answer is no. We have it as our Olympic team though ;) (I'm UK biased though so I want input before making the final say... which I will let Gwib do as the other Judge, unless someone else wishes too ;) )

Cheers,

B G^7even 20:57, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Good point...I guess though that it'd be illegal for the UK to enter as it's a group of nations. I therefore call a vote: Who's in favor of making the UK able to compete in the Nations' Cup? --Cheers, Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 21:25, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Since teams are now being chosen the vote is now closed as successful. The UK, as well as its individual nations, will be able to compete in the 2009 Nations' Cup. --Cheers, Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 13:33, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Support

Support duh. Anyway...isn't this a bit beside the point? We're supposed to be improving articles. Taking votes on procedure is a little petty. PeterSymonds (talk) 21:26, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I guess so, but I think this helps by encouraging editors to do so. It gives them an award if they do it better than anyone else...then again that's IMO. :) --Cheers, Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 21:29, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

That's true, but Scotland and Wales have their own National football teams. In terms of sport, they are nations. ;) PeterSymonds (talk) 21:32, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Support - Yes should be allowed to enter with that group of nations. Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 21:31, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

Oppose - You shouldn't be allowed to represent multiple countries.-- ✝ CM 16 21:55, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Well why haven't they been banned by the olympic comitee then? Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 21:59, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh for goodness sake, it's one recognised country; you won't find "Scotland" or "Wales" or "Northern Ireland" under "List of Sovereign states". Guys, remember why we're doing this, yeah? :/ PeterSymonds (talk) 22:00, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah agreed. I live in france, and they don't recognise england, wales scotland and northen ireland as countries. It's just for the wikicup, to make editing more fun, who gives a damn who you represent. Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 22:01, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Neutral

Comment

United Kingdom is one (1) country. Until 1997 Wales/Scotland didn't even have any kind of separate government. It's kind of like saying "the United States is 50 countries". Tombomp (talk) 23:14, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Nations Cup Teams

Hi everyone. We need to make teams for the nations cup. If you haven't heard of it, it will be run at the same time as the Wikicup and the points will be the same. The only difference is that users will be in teams of 2. For this, each team chooses a country (it can be the same one a for the wikicup or different). The points in the wikicup will be worth the same in the nations cup. If user A gets 100 points in the wikicup and user B gets 130 points, then in the nations cup, they would get 230 points total. If you are knocked out of the Wikicup, you aren't necessarily knocked out of the nations cup (and if you are knocked out of the nations cup, you aren't necessarily knocked out of the wikicup). You are in no way forced to do the nations cup, you can just do the wikicup if you wish.

Competitors

Yotcmdr
Shapiros10
Da Punk '95
Samekh
Tharnton345
ChristianMan16
ianm1121
SwirlBoy39
MathCool10
FastReverter
Techman224
Jet123
Kennedy
Chris G
Chenzw
PeterSymonds
Gp75motorsports
S3CR3T
Æåm Fætsøn

Teams

Once you have a teammate, please add yourself and them below as well as the country you will be representing. Don't forget to remove you and them from the "no teammate yet" list below

No teammate yet

Da Punk '95
Samekh
Tharnton345
ianm1121
SwirlBoy39
MathCool10
Techman224
Jet123
Kennedy
Chris G
Chenzw
S3CR3T
ChristianMan16 (signed up to represent Florida without a partner)

Do I have a teammate yet? Can't find my username on here. :\ --S3CR3T (talk) 23:20, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm awfully sorry, I'd forgotten you. I've added you now! Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 23:22, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

No worries. ;) --S3CR3T (talk) 23:26, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

How do people team up? Do they just talk? --[[User:S3CR3T|<font=Comic Sans MS>S3CR3T]] ([[User talk:S3CR3T|''tell me a secret.'']]) (talk) 23:40, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

(you forgot to tick the raw signature box) To team up with someon, you just ask tehm on there talk page. Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 23:44, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! (when I click the raw signature box it says my HTML coding is invalid :\) --[[User:S3CR3T|<font=Comic Sans MS>S3CR3T]] ([[User talk:S3CR3T|''tell me a secret.'']]) (talk) 23:47, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I had the same problem. Add {{User:S3CR3T/signature}} in the signature in settings. It should work. Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 23:52, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again :D Let's see if it works now.... --<font=Comic Sans MS>S3CR3T (tell me a secret.) 23:56, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes it works!! Ok, I'm going to bed. Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 23:59, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I've added this notice (below) to most people's talk page (not the one's who have already enterred). I have also added the nations cup to the dash board (If you can't see it, click refresh on the dashboard).

Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 09:03, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

2009 competitions points system

I know that the points systems are the same for the ditors cup and the nations cup, but are should we have points for other things like reverting vandalism? And do you think the points given are fair? Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk=

I think we should. --Cheers, Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 01:34, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Here are my ideas for things that should be included in the points system, as well as how many points that I think they should be worth:

I think that you should add into the points system that would give participants .2 points for creating a stub that is less than 300 bytes of text. That way, you still encourage people to create more stubs whilst making all of their worth still worthwhile. The amount of points that should be given is up for debate if you think that .2 points is too much to give. If you think that .2 points is too much to give, then we can lower it to .1 points.
I think that you should add into the points system that would give participants .1 points for reverting vandalism, as well as another .1 points for warning the user who vandalized. Undos and reverts for things other than vandalism don't count. This would give people who participate more drive to revert vandalism.
I think that you should add into the points system that would give participants .1 points for every redirect that they create as this is also an integral part of building this encyclopedia. This would give participants more drive to create appropriate redirects that would help build the encyclopedia. Redirects that are either deleted or unneeded, or that are not good redirects don't count.

All of these ideas are up for debate if needs be. Cheers, Razor flame 22:53, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I like all the ideas. But the vandalism part, would QD tags count as .1? Because, admins don't QD tag pages, we delete them. Thanks, Yotcmdr✼ Merry Christmas ! ✼ 09:11, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I think that QD tags should count as .1 points as well because it is also part of vandalism prevention and if there are any administrators in the Wikicup, they can also get .1 for deleting the pages as well :). Cheers, Razor flame 19:00, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I think that all of these sound good :D We (the Judges) may decide to tweak it after the first round if it's proving difficult to score, but it should be ok now there are three of us. Just a question: has anyone got any ideas of easily and quickly allowing the judges to allocate points, without going through every single edit? Cheers, B G^7even 19:05, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok RF, good. BG, I have no idea how... Yotcmdr✼ Merry Christmas ! ✼ 19:06, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

BG, think you could get a bot to automatically update the standings as the edits are coming in? Do you have any idea how you could code a bot that could do that? Cheers, Razor flame 19:07, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Not possible Razorflame, too easy to trick the bot. Just do a load of pointless edits in the mainspace... Yotcmdr✼ Merry Christmas ! ✼ 19:08, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, other than that idea, I don't see how you could do it without looking through each person's edits by hand and determining if they are legitimate or not. Sorry that I couldn't think up of anything else. Cheers, Razor flame 19:11, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

It would be possible, just not in a few hours. I'm absent from 2100UTC onwards. Perhaps asking editors to give a daily summary of what they have done? Thinks like DYK?, GA/VGA shouldnt be too hard, but vandalism reversions and edits might be. Hmmm... B G^7even 19:14, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

(e/c)I think we could use the bot idea. If the bot automatically updates the tables, a judge can take a portion of every competitors edits (say 10/15 each) and human check them. That way, there is an exact number of edits, and I doubt any of the users here would throw away their community trust to possibly win a wee competition? Kennedy ^(talk) 19:19, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Do you have to do stuff related to your country/region/state/province/district/county?

Do you have to do stuff related your country of subdivision? Tharnton345 21:06, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

no. ✼ VandalFighterFR bad warning? 21:08, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Well that's a relief :D Tharnton345 21:10, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

What made you think you had to in the first place :D Yotcmdr✼ Merry Christmas ! ✼ 21:11, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

XD! ✼ VandalFighterFR bad warning? 21:11, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Just Did. Tharnton345 21:19, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

I've pulled out

I'm sorry about the short notice, but I removed myself from the wikicup list a while ago, and I'm in the Blue pool. I've pulled myself out of the wikicup so can you remove me from the pools? Thanks. Techman224^Talk 23:13, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm doing other things right now, that's my reason. Techman224^Talk 23:14, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Color background: too dark

The title explains it. Could we possibly change the color of the background to #cedff2 or something similar? The current one is hurting my eyes a bit. Or can we just use no color background at all? — RyanCross (talk) 05:15, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, there have been complaints elsewhere. I've removed it. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 17:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Pulled out

I have pulled out of the WikiCup. Turbo Golf 17:26, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Tharnton has been replaced with Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:UserLinks/shared' not found.. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 18:00, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Updating points?

Who should be in charge of updating the points for each participant? When would they be updated? Cheers, Razor flame 21:00, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

It should be done by judges (otherwise what's the point in having them). Maybe it should be done every day, two days or every week. Yotcmdr✼ Merry Christmas ! ✼ 21:54, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

On second thought seeing your page with it done yourself, I think it should be done by the users, and checked every week by the judges.Yotcmdr✼ Merry Christmas ! ✼ 21:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Official request for scoring clarification

I'll note that the template delivered to me here states "successful nominations". This is a successful nomination. Do you mean, nominations that become elected to the main page? It might be semantics, but I'm competitive and need to know. :) Best, NonvocalScream (talk) 23:27, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

If you'll check out the scoring system, it states that the noms have to be accepted to rake in the points. The Scoring System should be referred to when in doubt, rather than an optional add-on to measure points.

Good luck! --Gwib^-(talk)- 23:40, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Scoring system

I have 2 questions:

Can sections overlap? (So that new articles and stubs also count as basic edits)
For stubs created over/under 300 bytes and new articles, do these catagories apply to the 1st edit only, or do these apply for all of the edits to a page?

Please answer my Q's ASAP! Cheers, Math Cool 10 02:50, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

If you create an article (stub or not), you'll get points for the simple creation of it (one edit). If you edit it again after (spelling, add a picture etc), you'll get 0.1 points as basic edits make in the namespace. --Gwib^-(talk)- 11:13, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Official request for scoring clarification II

Basic edits are for mainspace edits, redirects, reverting, QD tags. I gather that talk page edits and template space are not counted here?
Can scores overlap (All the basic edits I made to my stub count as well as the stub itself)?

Also, can someone double check more score to see if I'm scoring this correctly? Thanks, NonvocalScream (talk) 04:56, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I think it would be best to have the scores not overlap as this would give some people a significant advantage over others. You are correct in saying that talk page and template space edits don't count as a basic edit.

I have also double-checked your scoring on both your edit counting page in your userspace and in the edit you made to the pool. I fixed your count on the pool page because it was wrong, but now it is right. Cheers, Razor flame 04:59, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I have scored as if the did overlap, so we will need clarification. I agree with Razor, that I could increment my stub edits to win. So if the judges rule, no overlap, they also need to tell us what takes precedence. What should we score first, and ignore second. Thanks, NonvocalScream (talk) 05:02, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

(reset) Another question: does tagging articles (other than for QD) and formatting and simplifying count as basic edits? - Æåm Fætsøn ^{/ˈaɪæm ˈfætsən/} 08:37, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I'd of thought so, because they are mainspace edits. They count 0.1 (as a basic edit). Yotcmdr✼ Merry Christmas ! ✼ 08:47, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

If you create an article (stub or not), you'll get points for the simple creation of it (one edit). If you edit it again after (spelling, add a picture etc), you'll get 0.1 points as basic edits make in the namespace. However, please note that automatic edits (AWB, hotcats) are not counted as edits to an article. --Gwib^-(talk)- 11:15, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Scoring issue

Why was my score adjusted downwards? May I have one of the judges look into this? NonvocalScream (talk) 13:25, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, who on earth is operating that bot to update the scores. He's completly messed them up... Yotcmdr✼ Merry Christmas ! ✼ 14:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure it is a glitch. I just want to make sure we are tracking it as a glitch. :) I welcome a bot scorer. NonvocalScream (talk) 15:56, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Rounding

If they are supposed to be rounded, may I encourage the judges to assign whole point values to the items with a .something value? NonvocalScream (talk) 11:58, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

The score are rounded (adjusted downwards always). Yotcmdr✼ Merry Christmas ! ✼ 22:49, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Question

Did you guys get the bot to automatically update the standings for you yet, or did that idea fall through? I haven't been here recently, so an update would be nice :). Cheers, Razor flame 15:39, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure. My points have been (sort of) updated... I am not counting my own votes though, so I will be last :) Kennedy ^(talk) 15:51, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the bot is updating on the wikicup scoreboard. Kennedy, I may be able to update your points (I don't want you to lose!) Yotcmdr =talk to the commander= 17:26, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

DYKs

I have concerns about the DYK points for the competition. It seems like some users are just prowling through our good articles and nominating anything they find with the hopes of getting a DYK out of it. Is there any way we can change this to require the user to be a significant contributor to an article before getting credit for the DYK for this competition? It's flooding the DYK nominations with (often) bad hooks to which the nominator has no real connection. Or maybe you can award x points for a hook but y (where y > x) points for a hook from an article they created or expanded. Just thoughts from an outside view, Either way (talk) 01:18, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't think...

...i'm going to be able to keep up as far as scoring my own contributions. If there is no other way, I may have to withdraw from this race. Good luck to the other competitors! Best, NonvocalScream (talk) 05:37, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

If I were you, I wouldn't give up, seeing how far in front you are, I don't think anyone will catch you that soon if not at all. Just don't update it, and if you are caught up, then update it once, and you'll be in front again. Yotcmdr =talk to the commander= 17:28, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

There's no need to update it as and when you make the edits. If you want, you could keep an offline record and then add them all on the day the first round closes. We could get the bot to be run then. If you are really struggling, and i mean really, then you could possibly ask another user or a judge to keep your score for you, however that would be at their discretion - i'm too busy to be scoring others for example.

Hope this helps!

B G^7even 20:28, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

What's the bot think it's doing with my STBs and SSTBs?

The bot keeps screwing my Wikicup STB and SSTB count [1]. For some reason, it keeps registering them as mainspace edits, even when I think I've correctly filled out my edit count. Is there a problem with my page, or is it a problem with the bot? - Æåm Fætsøn ^{/ˈaɪæm ˈfætsən/} 03:52, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure. I'll investigate tomorrow. On a seperate note, it would help if no-one edits that page but the bot (the judges will fix it if needed) and also the judges will now be updating your scores, as it was found some scores were altered. Thanks, B G^7even 03:57, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion

Instead of picking the winner of each pool, I think it would be much better just to pick the overall winners. As of now, Chris G is going to win the Yellow Pool with 1 point, and move on. Whereas Shapiros10 will be eliminated from the Green Pool, with 59 points, because Razorflame is in the same pool. For now, it takes away Yotcmdr, Shapiros10, Kennedy and Steve Crossin's reason to remain in the wikicup, as they have absolutely no chance of winning their pool this round. I haven't been very involved with this, but I think it would be very much better by doing scoring this way. God bless, TheAE talk 23:06, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. I think that it is a good idea. Some users do have counts though, but have not yet set up scoring correctly - which is now Judge run. Thanks again, B G^7even 23:08, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

The top two from each pool move on (though no one's still addressed how that's going to work with ten people moving but only eight spots in the next round), not just the winner. So Shapiros10 would move on if the 1st round ended today. Either way (talk) 23:17, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Yup, that's right Either way, though this may still change depending on who is going through. We will probably remove users with zero edits.

As for 10-->8, there are as many spaces as needed, that hasn't been updated from when we had less pools ;) B G^7even 23:19, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but then if we take the top two in each and go to 10 spots, where does it go from there? If it stays head to head, five people would move on after that which wouldn't fit into head to heads which seems to be the plan for the later rounds. Either way (talk) 23:29, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

We'll cross that bridge when we get to it ;) I'd like there to be another pool round before the head to heads, perhaps we'll eliminate one or two users... I will discuss with my fellow judges. B G^7even 23:32, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Well I follow the 5 Ps: prior planning prevents poor performance. So, having a plan in place earlier than later is for the best, Either way (talk) 23:34, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Hehe ;) I prefer "all the Ps": Proper planning and preparation prevents piss poor performance ;) But yes, I agree. I'll have a think tomorrow. B G^7even 23:36, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Scoring clarification

Any articles I import and convert are new articles, worth two points, yes? NonvocalScream (talk) 05:33, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Round edits

Are edits cumelative, or are they reset after each round? Math Cool 10 06:12, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Redesign?

I would like to know if I could sort of "redesign" the layout. Little tweaks here and there. obento musubi 22:22, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Race withdrawel

I don't desire to participate in this particular race anymore. Could the judges when they become active again with regards to this race please reflect the needed changes in the tables. Kind regards, NonvocalScream (talk) 23:23, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Recommendations

Hello, would it be possible to make each "pool" responsible for a few select articles (perhaps about 5 chosen articles) from a certain topic (i.e. oceans, mountains, music, painting, etc.) and then eliminate based on pools? Then, I propose that awards will be given away to articles who have improved the most, and to individuals with the largest score (like how it is now). I'm not sure the role of the "pool", but I strongly believe "pools" should be groups called "teams", i.e. the Orange Team, Blue Team, Green Team, etc. (in reality, it may not just be colors; the team can decide for itself). For example, the Orange Team chose the topic of fruits. As their individual articles to better, they chose apple, orange (fruit), blueberry, strawberry, and watermelon. Then, the team of about five or so people would work on the five articles. They would compete individually for the biggest score (like now), but the winning team would receive prizes also. Then, a signpost would go onto the articles under the scope of the winning team saying that the article was chosen in a Wikicup match and won the team gold, silver, or bronze place. The idea is sort of an incorporation of this format and the French format (Wikiconcours). Cheers, obento musubi 23:39, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

I also strongly believe there should be more participants than just 25. I believe we should up the number to about 30 or 40 maximum. obento musubi 23:41, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Also, is there a way to make Wikicups more frequent? Here's my proposed schedule (with color codes to indicate color themes for the Cup page):

Three-Month Contest Schedule
	February
2009	January	Winter Cup (blue)
	March
	April	Preparation for Summer Cup
	May	Summer Cup (orange)
	June
	July
	August	Preparation for Autumn Cup
	September	Autumn Cup (red)
	October
	November
	December	Preparation for Winter Cup
2010	January	Winter Cup (blue)
	February
	March

Two-Month Contest Schedule
	February	Winter Cup (blue)
2009	January	Winter Cup (blue)
	March	Preparation for Spring Cup
	April	Spring Cup (green)
	May	Spring Cup (green)
	June	Preparation for Summer Cup
	July	Summer Cup (orange)
	August	Summer Cup (orange)
	September	Preparation for Autumn Cup
	October	Autumn Cup (red)
	November	Autumn Cup (red)
	December	Preparation for Winter Cup
2010	January	Winter Cup (blue)
2010	February	Winter Cup (blue)

I just thought... we could utilize the {{icon}} template to indicate if an article were part of a Wikicup... suggestions? recommendations? obento musubi 00:07, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I like the idea of multiple wikicups in a year, but to limit a pool to a certain subject, I don't think so cause then I would be out of my specialty range of professional wrestling articles. Just my 2 Lincolns (cents).-- † CM16 ^{t _c r} 07:52, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

But that's also the beauty of that. You can choose whichever topic you want. You could theoretically start a Professional Wrestling team. obento musubi 08:05, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Or, arguably, there doesn't even have to be a theme per team. The part that I want to stress is that I suggest designating specific articles (preferably 5) to each team (or "pool"), and then those articles can be recognized as the winning article for each team. Because then, I could make an icon template to display at the top of the article, displaying that it was a part of a specific Wikicup (each color corresponds to each "season", I guess – the seasonal aspect may also be debatable). obento musubi 08:11, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

The Winners' Graphics that I propose (from the French Wikipedia) are:

First place
Second place
Third place

All others shall receive a consolation prize: the award corresponding to the award of the "season". For example, if I got 5th place in the Winter Cup, I'd receive

. Ideas? Goodness, I have so much to write... obento musubi 08:18, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Please leave comments below. I will type out a (more) detailed report on my ideas in my own namespace.

Detailed Proposition

Please see {{User:The Obento Musubi/Wikicup}} for a detailed proposition and discuss opinions below. Please remember to be kind and courteous! obento musubi 09:25, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Discussion

Hi. I have to say, it isn't a bad idea at all. But we should if other people like it too only start it once this cup has finished. I wouldn't mind doing it. Yotcmdr ^{=talk to the commander=} 10:03, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Yes, of course. It's quite understandable that we'll have to wait until afterward when a consensus is reached. I can't wait to participate in the next Wikicup here, which is partially why I proposed shorter, more frequent cups. obento musubi 10:11, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Good! Yotcmdr ^{=talk to the commander=} 10:16, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
I have added new details on the schedule conflict between the 2009 Wikicup Finals and the proposed schedule, and have proposed solutions to that conflict. obento musubi 10:26, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I quite like the two month version, and think that if we do this, we should start in september (I'm not sure having it during holiday time is good) Yotcmdr ^{=talk to the commander=} 10:29, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Cool, so you would like preparations to begin in September so the contest would run from October to November; is that correct? obento musubi 10:31, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Yes, that sounds good; otherwise, have the preparation in august, and competition from september to october. Yotcmdr ^{=talk to the commander=} 10:55, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, I actually proposed a new proposition, where it would begin in August, go from September through November, and then 2010 would start with the two month schedule. obento musubi 16:23, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Sounds fine too me. Yotcmdr ^{=talk to the commander=} 16:26, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your feedback! obento musubi 16:40, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Autumn Cup

Where do we go to sign up for the Autumn Cup? Secret Saturdays (talk) 01:53, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

The WikiCup has been shut down indefinitely. The cups for seasons were mere proposals that never got off the ground. Shappy ^talk 02:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)